It seems like it’s now a tradition that, once a year, I will be ranting about IPv6. This usually happens because either I’m trying to do something involving IPv6 and I get stumped, or someone finds one of my old blog posts and complains about it. This time is different, to a point. Yes I sometimes throw some of my older post out there, and they receive criticism in the form of “it’s from 2015” – which people think is relevant, but isn’t, since nothing really changed – but the occasion this year is celebrating the ten years anniversary for the World IPv6 Day, the so-called 24-hour test of IPv6 from the big players of network services (including, but not limited to, my current and past employer).
For those who weren’t around or aware of what was going on at the time, this was a one-time event in which a number of companies and sites organized to start publishing AAAA (IPv6) records for their main hostnames for a day. Previously, a number of test hostnames existed, such as ipv6.google.com, so if you wanted to work on IPv6 tech you could, but you had to go and look for it. The whole point of the single day test was to make sure that users wouldn’t notice if they started using the v6 version of the websites — though as history will tell us now, a day was definitely not enough to find that many of the issues around it.
For most of these companies it wasn’t until the following year, on 2012-06-06, that IPv6 “stayed on” on their main domains and hostnames, which should have given enough time to address whatever might have come out of the one day test. For a few, such as OVH, the test looked good enough to keep IPv6 deployed afterwards, and that gave a few of us a preview of the years to come.
I took part to the test day (as well as the launch) — at the time I was exploring options for getting IPv6 working in Italy through tunnels, and I tried a number of different options: Teredo, 6to4, and eventually Hurricane Electric. If you’ve been around enough in those circle you may be confused by my lack of Sixxs as an option — I have encountered their BOFH side of things, and got my account closed for signing up with my Gmail address (that was before I started using Gmail For Business on my own domain). Even when I was told that if I signed up with my Gentoo address I would have had extra credits, I didn’t want to deal with that behaviour, so I just skipped on the option.
So ten years on, what lessons did I learn about IPv6?
It’s A Full Stack World
I’ve had a number of encounters with self-defined Network Engineers, who think that IPv6 just needs to be supported at the network level. If your ISP supports IPv6, you’re good to go. This is just wrong, and shouldn’t even need to be debated, but here we are.
Not only supporting IPv6 requires using slightly different network primitives at times – after all, Gentoo has had an
ipv6 USE flag for years – but you need to make sure anything that consumes IP addresses throughout your application knows how to deal with IPv6. For an example, take my old post about Telegram’s IPv6 failures.
As far as I know their issue is solved, but it’s far from uncommon — after all it’s an obvious trick to feed legacy applications a fake IPv4 if you can’t adapt them quickly enough to IPv6. If they’re not actually using it to initiate a connection, but only using it for (short-term) session retrieval or logging, you can get away with this until you replace or lift the backend of a network application. Unfortunately that doesn’t work well when the address is showed back to the user — and the same is true for when the IP needs to be logged for auditing or security purposes: you cannot map arbitrary IPv6 into a 32-bit address space, so while you may be able to provide a temporary session identifier, you would need to have something mapping the session time and the 32-bit identifier together, to match the original source of the request.
Another example of where the difference between IPv4 and IPv6 might cause hard to spot issues is in anonymisation. Now, I’m not a privacy engineer and I won’t suggest that I’ve got a lot of experience in the field, but I have seen attempts at “anonymising” user IPv4s by storing (or showing) only the first three octets of it. Beside the fact that this doesn’t work if you are trying to match up people within a small pool (getting to the ISP would be plenty enough in some of those cases), this does not work with IPv6 at all — you can have 120 of the 128 bits of it and still pretty much being able to identify a single individual.
You’re Only As Prepared As Your Dependencies
This is pretty much a truism in software engineering in general, but it might surprise people that this applies to IPv6 even outside of the “dependencies” you see as part of your code. Many network applications are frontends or backends to something else, and in today’s world, with most things being web applications, this is true for cross-company services too.
When you’re providing a service to one user, but rely on a third party to provide you a service related to that user, it may very well be the case that IPv6 will get in your way. Don’t believe me? Go back and read my story about OVH. What happened there is actually a lot more common than you would think: whether it is payment processors, advertisers, analytics, or other third party backends, it’s not uncommon to assume that you can match the session by the source address and time (although that is always very sketchy, as you may be using Tor, or any other setup where requests to different hosts are routed differently.
Things get even more complicated as time goes by. Let’s take another look at the example of OVH (knowing full well that it was 10 years ago): the problem there was not that the processor didn’t support IPv6 – though it didn’t – the problem was that the communication between OVH (v6) and the payment processor (v4) broke down. It’s perfectly reasonable for the payment processor to request information about the customer that the vendor is sending through, through a back-channel: if the vendor is convinced they’re serving an user in Canada, but the processor is receiving a credit card from Czechia, something smells fishy — and payments are all about risk management after all.
Breaking when using Tor is just as likely, but that can also be perceived as a feature, from the point of view of risk. But when the payment processor cannot understand what the vendor is talking about – because the vendor was talking to you over v6, and passed that information to a processor expecting v4 – you just get a headache, not risk management.
How did this become even more complicated? Well, at least in Europe a lot of payment processors had to implement additional verification through systems such as 3DSecure, Verified By Visa, and whatever Amex calls it. It’s often referred to as Strong Customer Authentication (SCA), and it’s a requirement of the 2nd Payment Service Directive (PSD2), but it has existed for a long while and I remember using it back before World IPv6 Day as well.
With SCA-based systems, a payment processor has pretty much no control on what their full set of dependencies is: each bank provides their own SCA backend, and to the best of my understanding (with the full disclosure that I never worked on payment processing systems), they all just talk to Visa and MasterCard, who then have a registry of which bank’s system to hit to provide further authentication — different banks do this differently, with some risk engine management behind that either approves straight away, or challenges the customer somehow. American Express, as you can imagine, simplifies their own life by being both the network and the issuer.
The Cloud is Vastly V4
This is probably the one place where I’m just as confused as some of the IPv6 enthusiast. Why do neither AWS nor Google Cloud provide IPv6 as an option, for virtual machines, to the best of my knowledge?
If you use “cloud native” solutions, at least on Google Cloud, you do get IPv6, so there’s that. And honestly if you’re going all the way to the cloud, it’s a good design to leverage the provided architecture. But there’s plenty of cases in which you can’t use, say, AppEngine to provide a non-HTTP transport, and having IPv6 available would increase the usability of the protocol.
Now this is interesting because other providers go different ways. Scaleway does indeed provide IPv6 by default (though, not in the best of ways in my experience). It’s actually cheaper to run on IPv6 only — and I guess that if you do use a CDN, you could ask them to provide you a dual-stack frontend while talking to them with an IPv6-only backend, which is very similar to some of the backend networks I have designed in the past, where containers (well before Docker) didn’t actually have IPv4 connectivity out, and they relied on a proxy to provide them with connections to the wide world.
Speaking of CDNs – which are probably not often considered part of Cloud Computing but I will bring them in anyway – I have mused before that it’s funny how a number of websites that use Akamai and other CDNs appear to not support IPv6, despite the fact that the CDNs themselves do provide IPv6-frontend services. I don’t know for sure this is not related to something “silly” such as pricing, but certainly there are more concerns to supporting IPv6 than just “flipping a switch” in the CDN configuration: as I wrote above, there’s definitely full-stack concern with receiving inbound connections coming via IPv6 — even if the service does not need full auditing logs of who’s doing what.
Privacy, Security, and IPv6
If I was to say “IPv6 is a security nightmare”, I’d probably get a divided room — I think there’s a lot of nuance needed to discuss privacy and security about IPv6.
First of all, it’s obvious that IPv6 was designed and thought out at a different time than the present, and as such it brought with it some design choices that, looking at them nowadays, look wrong or even laughable. I don’t laugh at them, but I do point out that they were indeed made with a different idea of the world in mind, one that I don’t think is reasonable to keep pining for.
The idea that you can tie up an end-user IPv6 with the physical (MAC) address of an adapter is not something that you would come up with in 2021 — and indeed, IPv6 was retrofitted with at least two proposals for “privacy-preserving” address generation option. After all, the very idea of “fixed” MAC addresses appear to be on the way out — mobile devices started using random MAC addresses tied to specific WiFi networks, to reduce the likeliness of people being tracked between different networks (and thus different locations).
Given that IPv6 is being corrected, you may expect then that the privacy issue is now closed, but I don’t really believe that. The first problem is that there’s no real way to enforce what your equipment inside the network will do from the point of view of the network administrator. Let me try to build a strawman for this — but one that I think is fairly reasonable, as a threat model.
While not every small run manufacturer would go out of their way to be assigned an OUI to give their devices a “branded” MAC address – many of the big ones don’t even do that and leave the MAC provided by the chipset vendor – there’s a few of them who do. I know that we did that at one of my previous customers, where we decided to not only getting an OUI to use for setting the MAC addresses of our devices — but we also used it as serial number for the device itself. And I know we’re not alone.
If some small-run IoT device is shipped with a manufacturer-provided MAC address with their own OUI, it’s likely that the addresses themselves are predictable. They may not quite be sequential, and they probably won’t start from 00:00:01 (they didn’t in our case), but it might be well possible to figure out at least a partial set of addresses that the devices might use.
At that point, if these don’t use a privacy-preserving ephemeral IPv6, it shouldn’t be too hard to “scan” a network for the devices, by calculating the effective IPv6 on the same /64 network from a user request. This is simplified by the fact that, most of the time, ICMP6 is allowed through firewalls — because some of it is needed for operating IPv6 altogether, and way too often even I left stuff more open than I would have liked to. A smart gateway would be able to notice this kind of scans, but… I’m not sure how most routers do with things like this, still. (As it turns out, the default UniFi setup at least seems to configure this correctly.)
There’s another issue — even with privacy extensions, IPv6 addresses are often provided by ISPs in the form of /64 networks. These networks are usually static per subscriber, as if they were static public IPv4, which again is something a number of geeks would like to have… but has also side effects of being able to track a whole household in many cases.
This is possibly controversial with folks, because the move from static addresses to dynamic dialup addresses marks the advent of what some annoying greybeards refer to as Eternal September (if you use that term in the comments, be ready to be moderated away, by the way). But with dynamic addresses came some level of privacy. Of course the ISP could always figure out who was using a certain IP address at a given time, but websites wouldn’t be able to keep users tracked day after day.
Note that the dynamic addresses were not meant to address the need for privacy; it was just incidental. And the fact that you would change addresses often enough that the websites wouldn’t track you was also not by design — it was just expensive to stay connected for long period of times, and even on flat rates you may have needed the phone line to make calls, or you may just have lost connection because of… something. The game (eventually) changed with DSLs (and cable and other similar systems), as they didn’t hold the phone line busy and would be much more stable, and eventually the usage of always-on routers instead of “modems” connected to a single PC brought the whole cycling to a new address a rare occurrence.
Funnily enough, we once again some tidbit of privacy in this space with the advent of carrier-grade NATs (CGNAT), which were once again not designed at all for this. But since they concentrated multiple subscribers (sometimes entire neighbourhoods or towns!) into a single outbound IP address, they would make it harder to tell the person (or even the household) accessing a certain website — unless you are the ISP, clearly. This, by the way, is kind of the same principle that certain VPN providers use nowadays to sell their product as a privacy feature; don’t believe them.
This is not really something that the Internet was really designed — protection against tracking didn’t appear to be one of the worries of an academic network that considered the idea that each workstation would be directly accessible to others, and shared among different users. The world we live in, with user devices that are increasingly single-tenant, and that are not meant to be accessible by anyone else on the network, is different from what the original design of this network was visualizing. And IPv6 carried on with such a design to begin with.
Now on the other hand there’s the problem with actual endpoint security. One of the big issues with network protocols is that firewalls are often designed with one, and only one protocol in mind. Instead of a strawman, this time let me tlak about an episode from my past.
Back when I was in high school, our systems lab was the only laboratory that had a mixed IP (v4, obviously, it was over 16 years ago!) and IPX network, since one of the topics that they were meant to teach us about was how to set up a NetWare network (it was a technical high school). All of the computers were set up with Windows 95, with the little security features that were possible to use, and included a software firewall (I think was ZoneAlarm, but my memory is fuzzy around this point). While I’m sure that trying to disable it or work it around would have worked just as well, most of us decided to not even try: Unreal Tournament and ZSNES worked over IPX just as well, and ZoneAlarm had no idea of what we were doing.
Now, you may want to point out that obviously you should make sure to secure your systems to work for both IP generations anyway. And you’d be generally right. But given that sometimes systems have been lifted and shifted many times, it might very well be that there’s no certainty that a legacy system (OS image, configuration, practice, network, whatever it is) can be safely deployed on a v6 world. If you’re forced to, you’ll probably invest money and time to make sure that it is the case — if you don’t have an absolute need beside the “it’s the Right Thing To Do”, you most likely will try to live as much as you can without it.
This is why I’m not surprised to hear that for many sysadmins out there, disabling IPv6 is part of the standard operating procedure of setting up a system, whether it is a workstation or a server. This is not even helped by the fact that on Linux it’s way easy to forget that
ip6tables is different from
iptables (and yes I know that this is hopefully changing soon).
Software and Hardware Support
Probably this is the aspect of the IPv6 fan base where I feel myself most at home with. For operating systems and hardware (particularly network hardware) to not support IPv6 in 2021 it feels like we’re being cheated. IPv6 is a great tool for backend networks, as you can avoid a lot of legacy features of IPv4 quickly, and use cascading delegation of prefixes in place of NAT (I’ve done this, multiple times) — so not supporting it at the very basic level is damaging.
Microsoft used to push for IPv6 with a lot of force: among other things, they included Miredo/Teredo in Windows XP (add that to the list of reasons why some professionals still look at IPv6 suspiciously). Unfortunately WSL2 (and as far as I understand HyperV) do not allow using IPv6 for the guests on a Windows 10 workstation. This has gotten in my way a couple of times, because I am otherwise used to just jump around my network with IPv6 addresses (at least before Tailscale).
Similarly, while UniFi works… acceptably well with IPv6, it is still considering it an afterthought, and they are not exactly your average home broadband router either. When even semi-professional network equipment manufacturers can’t get you a good experience out of the box, you do need to start asking yourself some questions.
Indeed, if I could have a v6-only network with NAT64, I might do that. I still believe it is useless and unrealistic, but since I actually do develop software in my spare time, I would like to have a way to test it. It’s the same reason why I own a number of IDN domains. But despite having a lot of options for 802.1x, VLAN segregation, and custom guest hotspots, there’s no trace of NAT64 or other goodies like that.
Indeed, the management software is pretty much only showing you IPv4 addresses for most things, and you need to dig deep to find the correct settings to even allow IPv6 on a network and set it up correctly. Part of the reason is likely that the clients have a lot more weight when it comes to address selection than in v4: while DHCPv6 is a thing, it’s not well supported (still not supported at all on WiFi on Android as far as I know — all thanks to another IPv6 “purist”), and the router advertising and network discovery protocols allow for passive autoconfiguration that, on paper, is so much nicer than the “central authority” of DHCP — but makes it harder to administer “centrally”.
iOS, and Apple products in general, appear to be fond of IPv6. More than Android for sure. But most of my IoT devices are still unable to work on an IPv6-only network. Even ESPHome, which is otherwise an astounding piece of work, does not appear to provide IPv6 endpoints — and I don’t know how much of that is because the hardware acceleration is limited to v4 structures, and how much of it is just because it’s possibly consuming more memory in such small embedded device. The same goes for CircuitPython when using the AirLift FeatherWing.
The folks who gave us the Internet of Things name sold the idea of every device in the world to be connected to the Internet through a unique IPv6 address. This is now a nightmare for many security professionals, a wet dream for certain geeks, but most of all an unrealistic situation that I don’t expect will become reality in my lifetime.
Big Names, Small Sites
As I said at the beginning explaining some of the thinking behind World IPv6 Day and World IPv6 Launch, a number of big names, including Facebook and Google, have put their weight behind IPv6 from early on. Indeed, Google keeps statistics of IPv6 usage with per-country split. Obviously these companies, as well as most of the CDNs, and a number of other big players such as Apple and Netflix, have had time, budget, and engineers to be able to deploy IPv6 far and wide.
But as I have ventured before, I don’t think that they are enough to make a compelling argument for IPv6 only networks. Even when the adoption of IPv6 in addition to IPv4 might make things more convenient for ISPs, the likeliness of being able to drop tout-court IPv4 compatibility is approximately zero, because the sites people actually need are not going to be available over v6 any time soon.
I’m aware of trackers (for example this one, but I remember seeing more of those) that tend to track the IPv6 deployment for “Alexa Top 500” (and similar league tables) websites. But most of the services that average people care about don’t seem to be usually covered by this.
The argument I made in the linked post boils down to this: the day to day of an average person is split between a handful of big name websites (YouTube, Facebook, Twitter), and a plethora of websites that are very sort of global. Irish household providers are never going to make any of the Alexa league tables — and the same is likely true for most other countries that are not China, India, or the United States.
Websites league tables are not usually tracking national services such as ISPs, energy suppliers, mobile providers, banks and other financial institutions, grocery stores, and transport companies. There are other lists that may be more representative here, such as Nielsen Website Ratings, but even those are targeted at selling ad space — and suppliers and banks are not usually interested in that at all.
So instead, I’ve built my own. It’s small, and it mostly only cares about the countries I experienced directly; it’s IPv6 in Real Life. I’ve tried listing a number of services I’m aware of, and should give a better idea of why I think the average person is still not using IPv6 at all, except for the big names we listed above.
There’s another problem with measuring this when resolving hosts (or even connecting to them — which I’m not actually doing in my case). While this easily covers the “storefront” of each service, many use separate additional hosts for accessing logged-in information, such as account data. I’m covering this by providing a list of “additional hosts” for each main service. But while I can notice where the browser is redirected, I would have to go through the whole network traffic to find all the indirect hosts that each site connects to.
Most services, including the big tech companies often have separate hosts that they use to process login requests and similar high-stake forms, rather than using their main domain. Or they may use a different domain for serving static content, maybe even from a CDN. It’s part and parcel of the fact that, for the longest time, we considered hostnames to be a security perimeter. It’s also a side effect of wanting to make it easier to run multiple applications written in widely different technologies — one of my past customers did exactly this using two TLDs: the marketing pages were on a dot-com domain, while the login to the actual application would be on the dot-net one.
Because of this “duality”, and the fact that I’m not really a customer of most of the services I’m tracking, I decided to just look at the “main” domain for them. I guess I could try to aim higher and collect a number of “service domains”, but that would be a point of diminishing returns. I’m going to assume that if the main website (which is likely simpler, or at least with fewer dependencies) does not support IPv6, their service domains don’t, either.
You may noticed that in some cases, smaller companies and groups appear to have better IPv6 deployments. This is not surprising: not only you can audit smaller codebases much faster than the extensive web of dependencies of big companies’ applications — but also the reality of many small businesses is that the system and network administrators do get a bit more time to learn and apply skills, rather than having to follow through a stream of tickets from everyone in the organization that is trying to deploy something, or has a flaky VPN connection.
It also makes it easier for smaller groups to philosophically think of “what’s the Right Thing To Do” versus the medium-to-big company reality of “What does the business get out of spending time and energy on deploying this?” To be fair, it looks like Apple’s IPv6 requirements might have pushed some of the right buttons for that — except for the part where they are not really requiring the services in use by the app to be available on IPv6, it’s acceptable for the app to connect with NAT64 and similar gateways.
I know people paint me as a naysayer — and sometimes I do feel like one. I fear that IPv6 is not going to become the norm during my lifetime, definitely not my career. It is the norm to me, because working for big companies you do end up working with IPv6 anyway. But most users won’t have to care for much longer.
What I want to point out to the IPv6 enthusiast out there is that the road to adoption is harsh, and it won’t get better any time soon. Unless some killer application of IPv6 comes out, where supporting v4 is no longer an option, most smaller players won’t bother. It’s a cost to them, not an advantage.
The performance concerns of YouTube, Netflix, or Facebook will not apply to your average European bank. The annoyance of going through CGNAT that Tailscale experience is not going to be a problem for your smart lightbulb manufacturer who just uses MQTT.
Just saying “It’s the Right Thing To Do” is not going to make it happen. While I applaud those who are actually taking the time to build IPv6-compatible software and hardware, and I think that we actually need more of them taking the pragmatic view of “if not now, when?”, this is going to be a cost. And one that for the most part is not going to benefit the average person in the medium term.
I would like to be wrong, honestly. I would want to wish that next year I’ll magically get firmware updates for everything I have at home and be working with IPv6 — but I don’t think I will. And I don’t think I’ll replace everything I own just because we ran out of address space in IPv4. It would be a horrible waste, to begin with, in the literal sense. The last thing we want, is to tell people to throw away anything that does not speak IPv6, as it would just pile up as e-waste.
Instead I wish that more IPv6 enthusiasts would get to carry the torch of IPv6 while understanding that we’ll live with IPv4 for probably the rest of our lives.
On the CDN flipping a switch, reddit was a very good example of this recently, They did that after the IPv6 subreddit was using it for a bit, but when they flipped it on for the whole domain they came across an issue with okHTTP in the android app failing to connect when there was no ipv6 available.
Both AWS and GCP support IPv6 on instances. amazon.com has had v6 on it for a few months and they’re aggressively enabling it everywhere: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJK5R_dJCBY
nftables does both v4 and v6 in a single firewall configuration too.