In addition to the usual disclaimer, that what I’m posting here is my opinions and my opinions only, not those of my employers, teammates, or anyone else, I want to start with an additional disclaimer: I’m neither an intern, a hiring manager, or a business owner. This means that I’m talking from my limited personal experience that might not match someone else’s. I have no definite answers, I just happen to have opinions.
Also, the important acknowledgement: this post comes from a short chat on Twitter with Micah. If you don’t know her, and you’re reading my blog, what are you doing? Go and watcher her videos!
You might remember a long time ago I wrote (complaining) of how people were viewing Google Summer of Code as a way to get cash rather than a way to find and nurture new contributors for the project. As hindsight is 2020 (or at least 2019 soon), I can definitely see how my complaint sounded not just negative, but outright insulting for many. I would probably be more mellow about it nowadays, but from the point of view of an organisation I stand from my original idea.
If anything I have solidified my idea further with the past five and a half years working for a big company with interns around me almost all the time. I even hosted two trainees for the Summer Trainee Engineering Program a few years ago, and I was excitedly impressed with their skill — which admittedly is something they shared with nearly all the interns I’ve ever interacted with.
I have not hosted interns since, but not because of bad experiences. It had more to do with me changing team much more often than the average Google engineer — not always by my request. That’s a topic for another day. Most of the teams I have been in, including now, had at least an intern working for them. For some teams, I’ve been involved in brainstorming to find ideas for interns to work on the next year.
Due to my “team migration”, and the fact that I insist on not moving to the USA, I often end up in those brainstorms with new intern hosts. And because of that I have over time noticed a few trends and patterns.
The one that luckily appears to be actively suppressed by managers and previous hosts is that of thinking of interns as the go-to option to work on tasks that we would define “grungy” — that’s a terrible experience for interns, and it shouldn’t be ever encouraged. Indeed, my first manager made it clear that if you come up with a grungy task to be worked on, what you want is a new hire, not an intern.
Why? There are multiple reasons for that. Start with the limited time an intern has, to complete a project: even if the grungy task is useful to learn how a certain system works, does an intern really need to get comfortable with it that way? For a new hire, instead, time is much less limited, so giving them a bit more boring tasks while they go through whatever other training they need to go through is fine.
But that’s only part of the reason. The much more important part is understanding where the value of an intern is for the organisation. And that is not in their output!
As I said at the start, I’m not a hiring manager and I’m not a business person, but I used to have my own company, and have been working in a big org for long enough that I can tell a few patterns here and there. So for a start, it becomes obvious that an intern’s output (as in the code they write, the services they implement, the designs they write) are not their strongest value proposition, from the organisation point of view: while usually interns are paid less than the full-time engineers, hosting an intern takes a lot of time away from the intern host, which means the cost of the intern is not just how much they get paid, but also a part of what the host get paid (it’s not by chance that Google Summer of Code reimburses the hosting project and not just the student).
Also, given interns need to be trained, and they will likely have less experience in the environment they would be working, it’s usually the case that letting a full-time engineer provide the same output would take significantly less time (and thus, less money).
So no, the output is not the value of an intern. Instead an internship is an opportunity both for the organisation and for the interns themselves. For the organisation, it’s almost like an extended interview: they get to gauge the interns’ abilities over a period of time, and not just with nearly-trick questions that can be learnt by heart — it includes a lot more than just their coding skills, but also their “culture fit” (I don’t like this concept), and their ability to work in a team — and I can tell you that myself, at the age of most of the interns I worked with, I would have been a terrible team player!
And let’s not forget that if the intern is hired afterwards, it’s a streamlined training schedule, since they already know their way around the company.
For the intern, it’s the experience of working in a team, and figuring out if it’s what they want to do. I know of one brilliant intern (who I still miss having around, because they were quite the friendly company to sit behind, as well as a skilled engineer) who decided that Dublin was not for them, after all.
This has another side effect for the hosting teams, that I think really needs to be considered. An internship is a teaching opportunity, so whatever project is provided to an intern should be meaningful to them. It should be realistic, it shouldn’t be just a toy idea. At the same time, there’s usually the intention to have an intern work on something of value for the team. This is great in the general sense, but it goes down to two further problems.
The first is that if you really need something, assigning it as a task to an intern is a big risk: they may not deliver, or underdeliver. If you need something, you should really assign it to an engineer; as I said it would also be cheaper.
The second is that the intern is usually still learning. Their code quality is likely to not be at the level you want your production code to be. And that’s okay. Any improvement in the code quality of the intern over their internship is of value for them, so helping them to improve is good… but it might not be the primary target.
Because of that, my usual statement during the brainstorms is “Do you have two weeks to put the finishing polish on your intern’s work, after they are gone?” — because if not, the code is unlikely to be made into production. There are plenty of things that need to be done after a project is “complete” to make it long-lasting, whether they are integration testing and releasing, or “dotting the is and crossing the ts” on the code.
And when you don’t do those things, you end up with “mostly done” code, that feels unowned (because the original author left by that point), and that can’t be easily integrated into production. I have deleted those kind of projects from codebases (not just at Google) too many times already.
So yes, please, if you have a chance, take interns. Mentor them, teach them, show them around on what their opportunities could be. Make sure that they find a connection with the people as well as the code. Make sure that they learn things like “Asking your colleagues when you’re not sure is okay”. But don’t expect that getting an intern to work on something means that they’ll finish off a polished product or service that can be used without a further investment of time. And the same applies to GSoC students.
