About GLIBC 2.14, EGLIBC, and Gentoo

I was originally planning to write about one of my current job tasks tonight, since that was honestly interesting for the Free Software part as well, but since I’ve received a number of comments in those regards, and even a couple of direct email messages, I think it might be a better use of my time to reply on this situation instead.

I have blogged repeatedly about the trouble caused by the new version of GLIBC (2.14) and its developers’ choice to stop allowing access to the RPC implementation that it comes with, in favour of the new, also-broken-by-the-same-update libtirpc library.

Turns out that this situation is becoming so absurd, that at least Archlinux decided to revert the removal of the RPC interface. And the same decision seems to be taken by the EGLIBC developers (which as far as I can tell, means that Debian and Ubuntu will keep the RPC interface as well). The obvious question people ask me then is “Why isn’t Gentoo doing the same?”

I’m afraid I don’t have a real answer to this: I’m not the GLIBC maintainer, that’s Mike. I’m not in his head and I honestly haven’t asked him to comment on the issue yet; the reason why I’m not pushing him for comments or actions is simple: I see no particular urge to move to the new GLIBC version. The news entries for the new release are a bit short to be of immediate interest to me, and the presence of a bug making Ruby not installable (thanks Sergei for tracking down the root cause!) makes it very low-priority to me, as in, no-priority really.

In particular, the last I knew about the EGLIBC situation, was that Mike preferred validating the applied patches by their own merit, following the upstream GLIBC developers as close as possible unless required for particular architectures and situations, which is a choice I respect deeply. The issue there seems to be that Drepper is getting more and more detached with the needs of the eco-system, and is still a sort-of dictator for what concerns the C library. I was also pointed at some suspects that he’s no longer in direct employment of RedHat, but given that I don’t really care about that I didn’t confirm or reject that; make what you want of it.

As for reverting the removal of RPC interface.. I don’t like that choice. I mean, the problem here is not that we lack a replacement for the RPC interface in GLIBC, but rather than the replacement is non-working. Rather than spend effort in working against GLIBC developers, it would be better spent to fix libtirpc so that it works with GLIBC 2.14, thus leaving us with a properly-working RPC implementation.

In particular, I think it might be a good idea now to implement the proper virtual for RPC implementations on GLIBC and other systems:

elibc_glibc? ( || ( net-libs/libtirpc <sys-libs/glibc-2.14 ) )

Using such a virtual would make it easier for me to ignore the packages that are known not working with glibc-2.14, as the dependencies wouldn’t be satisfied, and the tinderbox would then skip over the package altogether. I guess I should send an email about this so that it can be discussed and implemented.

There is another reason why I’m not so keen on restoring the interfaces that were removed from this version of the C library; while in my previous post’s comments a number of people have commented, correcting me on my first assessment that NIS was dead, it is still something that most desktops wouldn’t need, and uClibc does not implement, and finding the packages relying on said interface is still an interesting task to tackle.

In general, I’m afraid to tell you that I’m not going to “solve” the problem, by restoring the symbols, myself. If Mike decides to take that approach, the fallout is just going to be delayed, not avoided. And no, even though I probably would prefer moving away from GLIBC to EGLIBC – not just for this problem but also for things like the base versioning issue that is making gold less useful than it could be – I don’t have the time nor the motivation to step up and become the new C library maintainer in Gentoo. I barely have the time to keep on track with what I’m already supposed to do.

PAM, glibc 2.14, and NIS

After my list of issues related to glibc-2.14, the situation is somewhat more manageable: Mike fixed his own mistakes in the build of libtirpc, which now builds a working library, but on the other hand resolved to use a dirty hack to install the old NIS/YP header files, which are need by both libtirpc and other packages. Dirty or not, this at least produces some reasonable expectations of a working starting point.

I won’t even quote Mike’s suggestion for how to add support for libtirpc since that’s going to cause huge trouble with non-Linux platforms, given that for instances FreeBSD has a working RPC implementation (which, as far as I can tell, supports iPv6) in its C library itself. This means that what you should have in the ebuild, is probably something along these lines:


RDEPEND="elibc_glibc? ( || ( net-libs/libtirpc 

The option of creating a virtual package for this is sweet, but unfortunately, supporting libtirpc requires the buildsystem to identify it properly. it takes a bit of work on making it possible to build against that implementation in most cases, so simply adding the virtual is unlikely to be of help.

With enough support to actually fix the packages, tonight I looked into PAM, which I knew would become troublesome, since I already tried removing NIS support from it a few years ago; at the time I was unable to follow through with upstream because it was still the time I was getting in and out of hospitals.

At the time I had a patch that allowed building if NIS was unavailable, but it didn’t make it possible to disable NIS when available; this is instead implemented now in version 1.1.3-r1, with the nis USE flag, which I suggest to keep disabled (it is disabled by default). When actually enabling it, it’ll require either libtirpc (preferred) or an old glibc version.

Since NIS/YP is a virtually dead technology, it shouldn’t surprise that the default is now to keep it disabled, it’s not just a matter of requiring an extra dependency; I doubt anybody is using that stuff on any modern system; definitely not on users’ desktops or servers, which would be probably happy to drop a bunch of code that was left unused.

For those who wonder how much code are we talking about, comparing the before and after of the pam_unix module, which is the main consumer of the NIS/YP interfaces, it shows the total size decreasing of about 3KiB, one of which is purely part of the executable code, while the rest is distributed across data and rodata sections (which seem to mostly relate to string literals), and the overhead (imported symbol and string tables). Might not sound like a lot, especially on a module with about 50KiB of copy-on-write bss section, but it’s still something you gain by simply removing unused code, without even the need to optimize anything.